I think we will need to study this proposal more so that we can decide whether it's simply a wedge-driving exercise, although I think it's not, or if it is actually a genuine attempt to address a problem that is now perceived on both sides to be there.
It's a genuine trans-Atlantic partnership, a genuine trans-Atlantic forum where people argue and talk and debate, as you would expect in 19 democracies, and it is about collective security and collective defense, ... American Morning With Paula Zahn.