I don't know, 33, he may have had a lot of hard miles on...

I don't know, 33, he may have had a lot of hard miles on him. Sometimes these coaching years are like dog years. It's all relative. I think the experiences through the course of that. He's a guy that has coached in and won the Super Bowl. You can't put a premium on that. That's what everybody in this league is playing for, that ring. I don't have one on my finger, he does have one on his finger. There is something to that.