If we're to get to the bottom of this, if there's to be any...

If we're to get to the bottom of this, if there's to be any credibility, the person that was at the helm during the course of this thing cannot be the guy that Paul Volcker reports to, cannot be the guy that we go asking for help and assistance in getting the people we need to talk to, ... He needs to step back, step down for the credibility of the organization itself.