I really enjoyed the first four years. It was the happiest stage of my life but everything went wrong after Camacho quit. He showed he was a Madrid supporter but he left the club less affected than me.
He is fully conscious. We talked about everything. He told me one must address life with a bit of philosophy and to me it seemed that his situation, given what he has been through, is normal.
I have spent some of the most intense and best years of my life as president of the club.