He has always been a commercial real estate agent, and back in the old days when you could be a real estate agent and an insurance man both, he did that too.
One of them lost his wife and lost contact with his two children. They gave up on him. . . . The other young man has a health-challenged child and was unable to help his wife care for that child during that five years. They became estranged. It took a while to get back together.