John fulfills a great need, not only in the church, but in the community. He relates excellently with kids and kids respond to him. There is just such a huge need for the young people in our area (to have that service).
I think talking with the kids in practice, this is probably more of a rivalry than Herkimer. We're closer to Frankfort than Herkimer and the kids have a lot of friends that go to school and live in Frankfort.
Instead of giving up, we came back. That was the right direction for us. The kids are starting to learn how to fight.