If people are really excited about their music, and that's their primary motivation, then that comes through in demo tapes. That's the most important ingredient.
People from major labels were afraid to go to Black Flag gigs throughout most of the bands existence. They treated our gigs as something threatening. Im sure that it probably was. They probably had reasons to be scared.
You have to keep the business side together as well as the creative side. We have constantly surprised people and stayed with bands until they have grown on people.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
There aren't enough people who are scaring the kind of people who work at these record companies.
When the Minutemen opened for Black Flag shows, people hated them. We had to develop a Minutemen audience from different people.
We had a lot of riots. We came under attack from many of the police departments. It certainly wasn't some publicity thing. I was afraid for many years. We couldn't play in LA for many years. A lot of people got very cynical.
We were excited when we sold our first 10 records. I always felt that if we could get the music out there, and if people became accustomed to it, then a substantial number of them would enjoy it.